Comments on: Dismissal bill falters in Assembly – by John Fensterwald – Educated Guess http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm Education, Skills and Pathways for College and Careers Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:14:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Paul Muench http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3173 Paul Muench Fri, 29 Jun 2012 04:52:51 +0000 http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm#comment-3173 <p>If our legislators believe that nothing can prevent another Miramonte, then I would say it is incumbent upon them to create more school choice options. <p> <span id="reportcomment_results_div_40594"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment_AddTextArea( 40594 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment for abusive language, hate speech and profanity</a></span><br /> <span id="reportcomment_comment_div_40594"></span> </p> If our legislators believe that nothing can prevent another Miramonte, then I would say it is incumbent upon them to create more school choice options.

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]]> By: el http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3171 el Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:32:56 +0000 http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm#comment-3171 <p>LAUSD seems to have more problems with dismissals than smaller districts. <p> <span id="reportcomment_results_div_40598"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment_AddTextArea( 40598 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment for abusive language, hate speech and profanity</a></span><br /> <span id="reportcomment_comment_div_40598"></span> </p> LAUSD seems to have more problems with dismissals than smaller districts.

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]]> By: CarolineSF http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3170 CarolineSF Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:19:15 +0000 http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm#comment-3170 <p>If I’m understanding the situation right, LAUSD missed the situation entirely until it totally blew up. The discussion often implies that LAUSD was trying to deal with Berndt but was somehow hamstrung, which (as I understand it) is simply not true. <p> <span id="reportcomment_results_div_40609"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment_AddTextArea( 40609 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment for abusive language, hate speech and profanity</a></span><br /> <span id="reportcomment_comment_div_40609"></span> </p> If I’m understanding the situation right, LAUSD missed the situation entirely until it totally blew up. The discussion often implies that LAUSD was trying to deal with Berndt but was somehow hamstrung, which (as I understand it) is simply not true.

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]]> By: Gary Ravani http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3169 Gary Ravani Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:40:38 +0000 http://whycte.org/dismissal-bill-falters-in-assembly-by-john-fensterwald-educated-guess.htm#comment-3169 <p>Please note that the legislation was intended to bypass due process rights of those ACCUSED of misconduct. Anyone can accuse anyone else for almost anything, and sometimes do. Since the Salem Witch Trials it has been the tradition in this country to protect the due process rights of the accused.<br />  <br /> This does not mean that teachers who have a credible charge of misconduct cannot currently be immediately be removed from the classroom. They can be, and are. Then the due process re the accused’s employment kicks in. Based on hearings and evidence, not accusations.<br /> LAUSD had the opportunity to prevent abuse by reporting instances of teacher misconduct to the Commission on Teacher Credentialing. LAUSD failed to do that and received a reprimand for this violation of statute. Many of the “howls of outrage” coming from the direction of LAUSD right now can be attributed to efforts to divert public attention from district culpability.<br />  <br /> Perhaps Mr. Muench believes “choice’  options should be available so students can attend places like the very elite Horace Mann Prep School in New York? If you check the New York Times recently you can read about the decades of sexual abuse of students that went on at that, private, elite, school of “choice.” <p> <span id="reportcomment_results_div_40619"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="reportComment_AddTextArea( 40619 );" title="Report this comment" rel="nofollow">Report this comment for abusive language, hate speech and profanity</a></span><br /> <span id="reportcomment_comment_div_40619"></span> </p> Please note that the legislation was intended to bypass due process rights of those ACCUSED of misconduct. Anyone can accuse anyone else for almost anything, and sometimes do. Since the Salem Witch Trials it has been the tradition in this country to protect the due process rights of the accused.
 
This does not mean that teachers who have a credible charge of misconduct cannot currently be immediately be removed from the classroom. They can be, and are. Then the due process re the accused’s employment kicks in. Based on hearings and evidence, not accusations.
LAUSD had the opportunity to prevent abuse by reporting instances of teacher misconduct to the Commission on Teacher Credentialing. LAUSD failed to do that and received a reprimand for this violation of statute. Many of the “howls of outrage” coming from the direction of LAUSD right now can be attributed to efforts to divert public attention from district culpability.
 
Perhaps Mr. Muench believes “choice’  options should be available so students can attend places like the very elite Horace Mann Prep School in New York? If you check the New York Times recently you can read about the decades of sexual abuse of students that went on at that, private, elite, school of “choice.”

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